Preparedness Weapons

[cynicist]

Kelly, Is the FNAR the rifle you use for long range support or just your general go to gun? I am looking at buying a longer range rifle and have considered a few choices. I was looking at savage 10fp as well as the FNAR and the standard rem 700, all in .308.

[Kelly Alwood]

I sold my custom Remington 700 (to Neil Strauss). and bought the FNAR to replace it as my primary SWS. Not to say that the FNAR would outshoot the 700. I dont believe it would. However, it does get the job done at long range. It is sub minute of angle. I do have another 700 in 300 Win Mag for anything past 1000M. But for deer or human size target interdiction, the sub MOA FNAR should be fine out to 1000. The power of a 308 is greatly compromised at that range though. So, it will shoot accurately and put the bullet where you need it, but I dont like to take it past 800 if I have a larger caliber available. I really like mine. For real target interdiction, I would, and do use the FNAR. For competition, a bolt gun will normally prevail. Out to 1000 on human size targets, it doesnt matter. MOA or sub MOA guns will put it down.
The reason I went to a SASS (semi-automatic sniper system) is so I didnt have to carry two guns. I cant imagine a scenario where I would take a bolt gun for primary weapon system. So, you have to carry two. Or, use a SASS.
There are however many good, highly accurate bolt guns out there cheep. The amazing thing about the Rem 700 is, especially for the military, is that there is nothing left of it when they get done "accurizing" it.
the barrels are changed, the stock, the trigger, the bolt. The Only thing Remington left is the 5" of the reciever, and that has been reworked. So please dont get hung up on that.
I shot a Howa a few weeks ago. One in .223, and the other was .308. I engaged 4" targets at 300 yards with both. Using the Eyes On camera system from www.rifleshoot.com, we watched the rounds hit. They were all sub MOA. The guns cost him $450 new in box. A 700 will usually start at $650 for a base model. When mine was done, I had over $3,000 without scope or rings or mount. Rediculous. Just about any big name bolt gun will shoot MOA or sub MOA.
My close friend and Sniper School Instructor (USMC, USAF CPEC, FBI) owns the Savage with the accutriggers. He loves them. They shoot great. Great gun for the buck. I like em, they shoot.
I hope I answered your questions, if not, hit me up again.

[cynicist]

Thanks. That's great info. I may just have the info I need to make my decision. I am looking for something to augment my SPR in 223. It mostly set up for multi-gun and not sure it would be the rifle I would want to attempt 1000 yd shots with.

[M4wilson]

I think that the "best" survival fire arm is one that is chambered in a round that is as common as it is cheap. 22lr, 12gau. 5.56, 30.30, 30-06, 9mm etc for your area. yeah the exotics can do so many wonderful things but at the end of the day do you have rich well prepared Uncle Sam to resuply from? find what is common in your AO and get proficient with it (them) if every single person you know has a .408 CT you might want to think about running that.
22lr is like elbpws and belly buttons, most every one has at least one.
In a PHTF scenario, you will most likely be bartering for stuff and having lots of common caliber stuf will enable you to keep a leg up.

[cynicist]

Which barrel do you have on your FNAR?

[Kelly Alwood]

I got the heavy barrel. It is even more important on a semi-auto. Because your going to heat up the barrel much faster than with a bolt gun. Its only one pound difference.

[hcardwell93]

Within the next couple months (pending acquisition of a gun store), my go to gear will be an SBR PS90, with EOTech, and a five-seven. I will have both weapons capable of being suppressed, if needed. With a 1600 Pelican case I can carry both guns, a slew of spare magazines, and at least 3,000 rounds of ammo. The whole package will weigh in under 60 pounds, total.

I realize that the 5.7 does not have the longest range in the world, but for close up combat I can maneuver the carbine through a house much easier than an M4 style carbine.

My long range weapon is a M91/30 Mosin Nagant that I have free-floated and added a limbsaver recoil pad to. I have also fitted a surplus SKS bipod to it and an original "sniper", side mount scope. I chose this rifle because it is inexpensive, and the steel core surplus ammo can be had for less than $0.20 per round.


I have a Benelli shotgun that I love, but if I could only grab a few items before running it would be staying behind in the safe...

[Kelly Alwood]

Just plain hard to beat a Mosin Nagant. It may be the best bargan rifle out there. For price, ease, accuracy, and availability, its a winner.

[shine]

all i can say is, HOLY COW! I am gonna keep saving for a PS90. errr...start saving. after i get the business running. LOL

[Kelly Alwood]

Another option to the PS90 is the AR 5.7 upper. This has been shooting great for me. Takes the same mags. Reliable. Light. And a platform that you are already trained on.

[shine]

I was looking at those Kelly, but i gotta admit, part of what lures me to the Ps90 is the bull-pup design. I will most likely get a 5.7 upper too. LOL. Ideally i would gt the 5.7 pistol too to use the same ammo.

[DMGNUT]

Rifles and shot guns aside for the moment... when you're at the mall, the movies, the grocery store, or just walking out to your car after a late day at work, the pistol is what you'll be carrying. And again, the pros and cons of newer items like the FN5.7 aside, I have invested a good deal of my money and time into the G19. Is it the best gun or caliber on the market? Who knows. But my wife and both my teenage sons are comfortable with the weapon and the recoil. We share the same ammo, the same mags, and if one of the guns happens to go down, the same spare parts. If I want more ammo or mags, I don't have to decide whose gun I'll buy it for... they're all the same. At this point, it wouldn't be feasible to sell all the Glocks, 9mm ammo, mags, and spare parts, to go to another system, regardless of its accolades.
As for the 9mm for our chosen caliber. I'm a firm believer in shot placement over shot size. There are numerous instances of perps being hit multiple (8 or more times) with 40 and 45, and staying in the fight. I'm sure the same is true with 9mm and many other calibers as well. My point is, if you hit nothing vital and the perp is a determined opponent, you're just wasting ammo. The old adage which best applies here is, "You can't miss fast enough to win the fight".
Back to my situation... We all have life memberships at Front Sight, and we use them often. Is Front Sight the best place to train? Who knows, but it's close enough that we go to train, and we do it often (usually twice a year).
Yes, the shot gun is a niche weapon... so is the full auto sub machine gun, so I'll take the sub machine gun. As Sp-train-77 pointed out, even if your assailant is protected, once you deliver enough energy... you will have his attention adequately diverted.
The same is true with pretty much any full auto, as is true with the energy of a 12G. And if your full auto is suppressed, you have the added bonus of not only an effective urban tool, but one which will not attract undo attention.
Just my 2 cents...
And I'll save my thoughts on rifles for another time...

[hcardwell93]

DMGNUT, I like your gameplan with an interchangeable system for your pistols, and I believe it will serve you well. My family is set up on G22s and a G26 for my sister.

At this time we are not abandoning the Glocks, we are just supplementing them with the 5.7 setups.

As far as "the best pistol" out there, we tell everyone at the gun shop that it's the one that fits your hand the best and is the most comfortable when shooting. If it's too big or hurts too much an individual will not practice with it and be less likely to depend on it.

[Oregon Pioneer]

I can see the how the ballistic tables make the FN 5.7 look like a sexy round. The bottom line though in a gunfight is shot placement and one can only become proficient in placing their shots with regular practice. This is a minus for the 5.7 because compared to a .22lr or even a 5.56 one is going to be able to do a lot more practice with the more affordable rounds than the 5.7. Sure if you’re a millionaire it doesn’t matter, but you’re the exception.

So you’re a modern day ffice:smarttags" />lace>Moronilace> walking the face of the earth carrying a single gun and not knowing whither to go? Without hesitation I would grab my AR-15. Hum, a decade ago the U.S. Army and HK teamed up, spending a billion dollars to come up with the replacement for the M-16. Years later and all that dough they couldn’t find a platform that was so versatile and could be tweaked as easily. fficeffice" />>>
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It will come back to what ammo you’ll find at a flea market, in a glove compartment or with a buddy who’s willing to impart. What do you think you’ll find: the 5.7 or 5.56? >>
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[Discreet Josh]

I agree with going with the .22lr, its a great all around cartridge and you get huge quantities of ammunition versus any other caliber, but my experience with the ruger is that if feels cheap and operations on it aren't as smooth as the Browning Buckmark. I also think the buckmark is easier to maintain and has less malfunctions with less than perfect ammunitions.

[DMGNUT]

The 22 is definitely a great little round and a good bang for the buck. With the high dollar items spoken of by some here, it should be no big deal to throw a suppressor on one too (pistol or rifle or both). And as a subsonic round, your semi-auto 22s will still function flawlessly and be virtually silent as well (which is a very good thing in an urban area). However, regardless of all the plusses, I'd never attempt to use one as a defensive weapon unless it were an absolute last resort. And since we're discussing this in relatively "good" (?) times, there should really be no reason to have to resort to the use of a 22 for such measures.

[fedorthedog]

I find some of the shotgun references interesting. I am a 28 year LEO and range-master, former SWAT team member, and general gun nut. A tool is something designed to perform a specific task. Anytime you use a multi use tool instead of a tool designed for the job you give something up. Having said that if I could own only one weapon it would be a 12 ga pump shotgun. It will do everything in an adequate manner by changing barrel and ammo. You can hunt large game with slugs or birds with shot. You can kill men with both. Is it good for 1000 yards no but neither is an AR. While my preference is having a limited selection of tactical weapons to feed and maintain, I keep my shotguns and extra ammo as they have a place in defense and are simple to teach sheeple to use.

As for home defense the only thing I can think of that has limited penetration in a house and did not always penetrate walls were target loaded inverted wad cutters. In a house shot spread is so slight at ten feet that it covers a slightly larger area that a bullet. So if you shoot where you don't want to you are liable to have an outcome you don't want.

I am a believer in starting by acquiring a .22 pistol rifle set. I like the 10-22 above the other rifles due to the availability of attachments and mags. There are so many good pistols out there just find one you like. The 22 is easy to carry with 1000 rounds and is usable out to 100 yards. After you have the base met then move up to a tactical rifle and pistol. For most the money takes time to save and this is a fast way to meet the basic need.

[Gearjammer]

I have a small arsenal, but thast said it is diffrent tools for different situations, I plan to make my way home and shelter in place with family and extended family, that said they are all in like calibers.

Btween me anbd my brother we have 2, AR15A2's, and an AR15A1, we caqn use common ammo and and magazines, then for reach out and touch someone it is my M1A in .308, my hunting rifle a TC ICON Precision Hunter, heaqvy barrel is good for 1 MOA at 400yds. for precision work(this rifle is a development of a rifle designed to compete for police and military sniper rifle contracts), my brother also has his hunting rifle in .308 so we can again use the same ammo!! Next i have .30-06's notice how all the calibers are military or were, that is because military calibers tend to be popular with sportsmen too and therefore foraging for ammo will be easier. Even so guess what as a handloader, the .308's and the 30-06's can use the same primers, powders and bullets for handloading if i have to stockpile handloading components.

Unfortunately being a truck driver my options are limited to what i can transport across state lines without going to jail for so i picked the only thing legal in all 50 states....A Mossberg 590A1 S.P.M.P.S, non pistol gripped cylynder bore shotgun with 18 barrel and slug sights. Buckshot for the close in partiers and slugs are good to 120 yards with slug sights, i added the side saddle and it already had the speed feed stock for extra rounds there too.I'd rather have my M1A Springfield for a "Bug Home" weapon, but a Mossberg 590A1 is definately better than a sharp pointy stick.

[Kelly Alwood]

A suppressor or "Silencer" is a huge tactical advantage on many levels. NO muzzle flash. Cannot locate the source of the sound. And the good ones, you simply cannot hear from a close distance. No dust blowing up or vegitation moving from the muzzle blast. Able to communicate with your team members because you can hear.
So I have been testing a bunch of them for you to review.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzGm1FA7DKw

[Kelly Alwood]

Here I visited the factory of SilencerCo to test the goods for you. The most innovative silencers out there. These are very impressive designes. By far, the only ones in its class, the easiest to take apart and clean in the world. A very important attribute as anyone who ownes one knows. Plus, the guys at SilencerCo are great. And they are serious Preppers as well.
Enjoy. And think very seriously about getting one. They are legal.

[Kelly Alwood]

Here I test the 300 AAC Blackout. I have been shooting video of all my testing for you guys to see. This is a pretty remarkable cartridge. Very quiet, reliable, and hard hitting. Consider this and how it fits into your goals and objectives. Notice these are all suppressed as well.

[Kelly Alwood]

Now available to civilians: The IR weapon laser that has been restricted since they came out. You can now get these same lasers as the military and le use. I suggest getting them fast before they restrict them, Again. This piece of gear will give you an incredible tactical advantage. Used by our Special Operations forces all over the world, these are a critical peice of gear that will give you and unfair advantage, and when your numbers are small, this is a huge game changer. These are also ideal for hunting applications as well.
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[Phil801]

Gotta get me one of these ASAP!

[Kelly Alwood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AF2bJZT7OA